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1$\begingroup$ At least the wikipedia page about ZPE mentions that liquid helium does not freeze due to ZPE. $\endgroup$infinitezero– infinitezero2025-12-05 14:58:33 +00:00Commented 2 days ago
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$\begingroup$ Yes, I also know that; it is an oft-quoted piece of trivia on the topic. However, it falls into the category that I had explicitly mentioned as the ions thingy. You might want to read dennismoore's take below on how to interpret that much better. $\endgroup$naturallyInconsistent– naturallyInconsistent2025-12-05 17:59:54 +00:00Commented 2 days ago
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$\begingroup$ @my2cts I deliberately and very carefully phrased my answer such that it points out that "emergent, non-fundamental thing that arises from more-fundamental interactions [...] is really there" and for all that I care, Casimir-like effects can be recast as interactions between the particles involved. For example, in Casimir's original paper describing his effect, he knew that zero point energy is a controversial topic at the time, and so he included a derivation without referencing ZPE at all, showing that the effect is real regardless of whether we assume ZPE. $\endgroup$naturallyInconsistent– naturallyInconsistent2025-12-06 07:50:55 +00:00Commented yesterday
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