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| On 8 April 2014, it was proposed that this article be moved from Nuremberg Trials to Nuremberg trials. The result of the discussion was moved. |
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Is Francine Hirsche at page 10 (almost certainly a summary introduction if she's a scholarly historian as I expect) really adequate for "Over the course of the trial, Western judges allowed the defendants additional leeway to denounce the Soviet Union, which was ultimately revealed to be a co-conspirator in the outbreak of World War II"
[edit]Gidday,
Is Hirsch (2020) at page 10, in almost certainly a scholarly introduction, really adequate to claim that the current scholarly consensus is that "the Soviet Union, [which] was ultimately revealed to be a co-conspirator in the outbreak of World War II." Because that sounds as suspect as hell. That is a really remarkable conclusion, that the Soviet Union caused WWII, and as a result of its remarkability and its implausability and its citation to an introduction chapter of a PhD thesis published as a book I've abstracted it by removal. Fifelfoo (talk) 08:12, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- I will add that this sentence is not accurately summarizing the source material. The source says that due to Cold War tensions, the Soviets "ultimately found themselves cast as co-conspirators of the Nazi regime—denied both the respect of victory and the self-righteousness of victimhood." Mellk (talk) 08:35, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- I am not sure what the consensus way to summarize the soviet role in the Molotov Ribbentrop pact is, but I would support any effort to improve the wording. (t · c) buidhe 15:04, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Number of defendants in subsequent trials
[edit]On the topic of the "subsequent" Nuremberg trials, this page says:
- Of 177 defendants, 142 were convicted and 25 sentenced to death
But on the Subsequent Nuremberg trials page, the "Trials" section lists 185 defendants, and the "Results" section says:
- The Nuremberg process initiated 3,887 cases of which about 3,400 were dropped. 489 cases went to trial, involving 1,672 defendants. A total of 1,416 of them were found guilty; fewer than 200 were executed, and another 279 defendants were sentenced to life in prison.
The subsequent trials apparently had either 177, 185 or 1,672 defendants. Can we clarify all this? Sonicsuns (talk) 05:42, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
Torture Unmentioned
[edit]How is it that in an article this lengthy, there is not a single mention of the use of torture? 220.255.32.88 (talk) 15:06, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Needs to be evidence of that by historians and/or evidence of the allies admitting to it. Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 14:39, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
Kanguroo court
[edit]Hi, can we have a criticism section listing the arguments for this being a kanguroo court, just to be more inclusive and comprehensive, please? 2804:D57:6358:AD00:3050:CFEB:EE94:5832 (talk) 21:35, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2025
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~2025-35010-17 (talk) 07:45, 20 November 2025 (UTC)Okshoka
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 10:33, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
Edit request - Seems appropriate to make the text "Final Solution" a link to our article Final Solution.
[edit]Section Nuremberg_trials#Defense says
- Some defendants denied involvement in certain crimes or implausibly claimed ignorance of them, especially the Final Solution.
Seems like it would be appropriate to make the text "Final Solution" a link to our article Final Solution.
- ~2025-35233-48 (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- I agree, that seems appropriate Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 13:20, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
UNDUE addition
[edit][2] (t · c) buidhe 16:55, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
I believe this to be important. Thoughts?
[edit]In 1987, the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (ACT UP) used the Nuremburg Trials as inspiration for political art in the front window display of the New Museum of Contemporary Art, then located in SoHo. The display, Let the Record Show . . . , depicted a reenacted image of the trials, "only with enablers of the AIDS crisis serving as defendants."[1] Cooldood5555 (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- If we included all similar references to the trials, the popular culture section would be as long as the rest of the article. WP:WEIGHT is established by looking at sources about the trials, not about other topics (t · c) buidhe 18:55, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- I will defer to you if you truly believe this as you are a senior editor Cooldood5555 (talk) 18:57, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Added it to the ACT-UP article. (t · c) buidhe 19:39, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Looks great Cooldood5555 (talk) 20:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ Lowery, Jack (April 2024). It was Vulgar and It was Beautiful: How AIDS Activists Used Art to Fight a Pandemic. Bold Type Books. pp. 80–99. ISBN 9781645036586.
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